• Christoph The Sky Sorcerer

    Okay, first point: did you actually WATCH Frozen? It sounds like you may have just watched a trailer or else the first twenty minutes, because in reality it lampshades all those tropes you mentioned all to hell and subverts many of them.

    In any event, I might have to watch this movie; it sounds pretty good.

  • The Fabulous Administrator

    I have to agree with Christoph… have you seen actually seen Frozen, John? It’s a deconstruction of the “cliche ridden Princess movies” you mention. Just like Watchmen deconstructed the Superhero and Scream deconstructed the Slasher, Frozen deconstructs the Disney Princess. Anna, the typical Disney Princess, is told througout and eventually learns in the movie that her worldview of a handsome prince, true love and happily ever after is wrong and she learns what love really is.

    And Disney doesn’t give too much attention to Princess movies. Acting like they rarely release anything decent or original shows to me you’ve probably missed or ignored a lot of the movies Disney has released over the past few years. What about Big Hero 6, a very mature movie about dealing with grief? Was that not decent or original? Even if it was based on a Marvel comic, it had nothing in common with it apart from the name. What about 2011’s Winnie The Pooh? Or Gigantic in 2018? You seem to act that just because a Disney movie is a Princess movie it’s somehow bad, but this is ignoring that most of the company’s best films since the late 80’s are actually Princess films: The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Frozen, Tangled, The Princess and the Frog just to name a few.

    The last few Disney Princess films have been calling out the mistakes they made. The Princess and the Frog, Tangled and Frozen all deconstructed the typical Princess film. The princess films don’t take the spotlight. Only 5 of Disney’s 10 confirmed films from 2010-2020 are Princess films: Princess and the Frog, Tangled, Frozen, Moana and Frozen 2. The first three all deconstructed and rebuilt the Princess genre to make it modern and tell lessons that are more relevant and better for today’s audience, not to mention the heroines are all incredibly well written and far from the one dimensional princesses like Snow White and Aurora. And let’s not forget that Disney’s remakes have been modernising the princesses for today’s audiences: Aurora, Alice and Cinderella were all improved in their remakes. Alice told us that you should be who you are no matter who others want you to be, Aurora told that you shouldn’t judge someone by their past and Cinderella told us that becoming mean and bitter if things don’t work out won’t help and we should always have courage and be kind. And most importantly, let’s not forget the acts of true love in Frozen and Maleficent were non-romantic and between two women: The love of two sisters and the love of a woman for her surrogate daughter. So yeah, just because a film’s a princess film it doesn’t mean it’s bad.

    But yeah Zootropolis is brilliant and is definitely one of Disney’s best and also very topical. It’s perfect this film came out when it did during the current extreme racism to other cultures because of the acts of a few.

    • Christoph The Sky Sorcerer

      Here, here! (Or is it “Hear, hear”? I’ve never been quite sure.)

    • I will admit I have not seen Frozen. I think one of the reasons I dislike the film, despite not seeing it, is because of how much it is shoved down my face through publicity. Now I know a lot of things do that, like the recent Star Wars movie and Batman v Superman, but I guess those types of films cater to a different audience. Frozen appears too kiddy and very generic to take my fancy but I guess the whole “sing a song and everything will get better” narrative just grinds my teeth, especially since that is the main type of children’s entertainment in the modern age. Princess movies used to be good, not all of course but most of them, especially some of the ones you mentioned like Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid.

      I guess I just really appreciated Zootropolis because it was something different and I prefer companies doing this from time to time instead of playing it safe all the time and re-releasing the same things. This film had many life-lessons, morals and above all showed how much you need to try in order to get what you want. Also the characters felt likable and weren’t generic, they had life and personalities. I don’t know whether I’ve got across my opinions very well, I usually don’t, but I guess I’m not a fan of the Princess films anymore and much prefer new ideas when it comes to Disney.

      • The Fabulous Administrator

        “but I guess the whole “sing a song and everything will get better” narrative just grinds my teeth”

        Frozen really isn’t that sort of film. It’s not generic. It;s original and has very well written characters. I can;t judge, but it feels like you’re judging Frozen or being something it’s not. Just watch it. That’s all I can say. I think it’ll surprise you. Frozen is a deconstruction of typical princess films. It is different. There’s a reason it’s so popular. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Hans are far from generic characters. Frozen takes the “Princess” genre in a new direction. Calling it generic and unoriginal even though you haven’t seen it is a bit… well presumptuous.

  • The Oncoming Hurricane

    I like how you use this film as an excuse to bash on Frozen in a way that shows you know nothing about it and confirm you haven’t actually seen it.

    I mean, I’ve always known you were a terrible critic. Thanks for the proof.

  • There is a nerd in here

    If you like Frozen, that’s absolutely fine. But John is in no way a bad critic. I’ve seen a lot of his reviews and each is insightful and entertaining to read. I’ve not seen Frozen either, but I never really liked Disney Princess films so I’m not going to watch it. I don’t like the look of the trailers either, sue me. Either way, thanks to this review I want to see Zootopia now. It looks like a great film and this review makes me want to see it so badly I can’t wait for tomorrow so I can get to the nearest cinema.

    If you’re actually reading this, John, keep up the great work because I enjoy reading your reviews :D