• ShalkaDoctor

    Shame the show’s critical reception has been tainted by PC BS.

    I think 8/10 is about right.

    • Thanks for commenting! I do agree to an extent that the reviews did suffer from a bit of herd mentality, but I’m not sure exactly what you mean elsewhere. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on where you diverge from the general reception.

      • ShalkaDoctor

        I diverge from the critical reception because I don’t have a problem with Danny accurately reflecting his comic counterpart. I don’t believe Marvel has a mandate to push a political agenda. I don’t look for it in comic shows. I want to be entertained and Iron Fist delivered. And most fans have been really satisfied with the show too. The reception in user ratings to critics is jarring. The media has had it out for the show from day one because Marvel didn’t cave into their PC whims.

        • Captain America

          Having read the audience reviews on day one, a majority of the reviews I read were “I’m sick of SJW critics…” (Those were the five star reviews) “It doesn’t matter that iron fist is white… But eh the show wasn’t that great. Still okay though.” (The general consensus outside of those five star reviews)

          • ShalkaDoctor

            When I wrote my last comment it had a user rating of 8.7 on IMDB and the majority of user reviews I read were positive and baffled by early
            reviews. While it has dropped currently to 7.9 it’s still ranking slightly higher than Luke Cage. While I don’t think it’s as good as Daredevil or Jessica Jones (both of which were flawed in their latter halves), the critics made it out to be way worse than it is and still seem out of touch with many fans.

          • Captain America

            Within two days, the score fell nearly a whole point. I wouldn’t be surprised if it fell more within a week. I’m reading those reviews right now. The first focuses almost entirely on Finn’s race and how critics are apparently wrong without actually going very deep in analyzing the show. The second one says the show is just decent. The third says the show is good, but, again, doesn’t analyze it much, despite giving it a solid 10/10. The next two are direct responses to the fact that critics rated it poorly. The rest on the first page except for the last one, which says the show has flaws but is mostly
            enjoyable if you have an open mind,
            all say it’s not worth your time. They rate it 6/10 or lower.

            My point is, many of the positive reviews are either vague and unconvincing or just stubborn arguments against critics. That in mind, these are early reviews, most of which aren’t of high quality. The score has fallen since then. That says something about the show, and it’s not that the critics are wrong. Considering that many of these reviews are “screw the PC critics, they’re wrong”, it largely just goes to show that the critics are right.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            So what you’re suggesting is most positive reviews are people just getting back at critics rather than because they genuinely enjoyed the show? That’s a bit of a leap if so. Also people are generally more vague about why they like something. It’s easier to be negative.

          • Captain America

            Yeah, I’m suggesting that most of the reviews are direct responses to the critics. That’s why just short of 70% of the reviews on that site I’ve read focus on either how Danny being white is a-okay, or how the critics are wrong, and should “shut their mouths”.

            There were only a couple of positive reviews that actually went into depth about how they feel instead of “yes it’s good ok bye”. The positive reviews altogether, including the ones I previously mentioned that focused on the character’s race, only made up of 40% of the reviews I read. 30% of those reviews didn’t focus on Danny’s race or insulting the critics. Of those reviews, only two of them went into detail in regards to how they felt, and they said “this show is seriously flawed and should have been a lot better.”

            Which is also what the critics have said. And I would know, because I’ve read their complete reviews. Your claim that they focused on “PC BS” is wrong. And trust me, it isn’t hard to say good things about something you love. It’s no coincidence that there isn’t a “this show is perfect, here are a lot of reasons why it works” review on Rotten Tomatoes, and no 10/10 review that talks about why the show works in depth on IMDB. None of your argument holds up.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            Ok. Yes, yes it’s all a grand conspiracy. No one really liked it. Bored now.

          • Captain America

            That isn’t even remotely close to what I, or anyone else, for that matter, has said.

            This discussion wasn’t for your entertainment, so I couldn’t care less if you’re bored. All that matters is that you’re no longer under the delusion that there was a conspiracy against it, fueled only by “PC BS”.

    • Captain America

      The show’s reception has been 100% influenced by the fact that the show is just sub-par. I supported an Asian American Iron Fist, but that wouldn’t have saved the show.

      • ShalkaDoctor

        In the early negative reception from critics I read, the majority of their text was going on and on about why Iron Fist should have been Asian, rather than actually criticising the other elements of the show.

        • Captain America

          I understand many reviews brought that up, but for many of them, they also mentioned many flaws the show had beyond that. Just reading the initial critic’s consensus on rotten tomatoes, it accurately describes the problems the series has.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            Look I’m not even saying the show is 10/10 or anything close, just that I think when you hate on a show for not doing what you wanted it to do, it’s a weak line of criticism. If reviews brought up something other than the race of the lead than fair enough on those ones. That wasn’t my experience. And then I was surprised at how much I liked the show, expecting the worst based on what I read.

            It’s all subjective at the end of the day anyway. I enjoyed more than critics and thought they went on too much about Danny’s race, rather than genuine criticism. That’s it.

          • Captain America

            I’m reading the full reviews compiled on Rotten Tomatoes. None of them even come close to focusing on Danny’s race. They mention it briefly, but the consensus is the show is a mess regardless. Your initial claim was the reception of the show was “tainted” by “PC BS”. You have no evidence to support it, and I honestly doubt you’ve read much of the reviews.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            Are you still going on about this? I’m tired of arguing with you now. I try to discuss rationally and without conflict, but it’s getting old. You don’t concede on anything either. I know what I read thanks. I didn’t imagine this slant to the reviews. Neither did plenty of others. Goodbye. Don’t expect any more replies from me.

          • Captain America

            I’m curious as to what you read, actually. It’s a shame you won’t be able to respond to back up your claims that the critics focused only on Danny’s race. I haven’t found that in any review I’ve read. If you would have provided evidence to support what you’re saying, I’d gladly have conceded, but I suppose that isn’t going to happen because you haven’t shown any sign of accepting any fact that doesn’t align with your own opinion, which you have been completely unable to back up in any way. There was no reason for me to concede, and there won’t be as long as your argument remains unsupported by any factual evidence.

          • Captain America

            I re-read this comment to see if there was anything I missed, and I found this neat little quote.

            “If reviews brought up something other than the race of the lead then fair enough on those ones.”

            All of them brought up something other then Danny’s race. I’m getting the impression you didn’t read any of them. They all focused on why the show didn’t work, and why it just wasn’t good. It’s hard to claim that they focused only on the fact that the lead was white when there are literally fifty reviews linked on Rotten Tomatoes that prove otherwise.