• TheCyberDoctor

    Brilliant review Mark! I’m glad to hear that you enjoyed this episode more than last weeks, it not easy to when shows you love fail to impress. Personally, I loved both this week’s ep and last weeks. I will admit to cheering at the end (my mum was practically screaming with excitement lol), and I cannot wait to see how it plays out next week.

    • ShalkaDoctor

      I know right! Nice to see some enthusiasm for that moment lacking from
      this review. Even though most fans already figured out Jon was going to
      be resurrected, it was still very exciting seeing him back. Now episode 3 can’t
      come soon enough!

  • ShalkaDoctor

    Again a bit of a harsh score (especially when Cult Fix can be insanely generous on other things, even things that are usually panned by critics). Makes me wonder what will impress!

    • The Oncoming Hurricane

      Cult Fix isn’t a hivemind, y’know, some reviewers will always be more critical!

      • ShalkaDoctor

        I know. But when you look at sites like Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic you see an overall consensus score and this site is usually out of sync. Perfect 10s here for considered flops elsewhere and low scores for things considered great. It’s just a curious observation.

        • The Oncoming Hurricane

          You ought to be thankful I’m not reviewing it.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            Indeed. I’d much rather have people who are actually fans of the shows reviewing them.

          • The Oncoming Hurricane

            I’m merely saying that if you’re looking for an uncritical engagement with the show that gives nothing but praise (as you seem to be), look elsewhere instead of hectoring the reviewer about being ‘out of sync with consensus’. It won’t be hard to find.

    • TardisBoy

      I don’t see how 7/10 is a harsh score when it’s 3 away from full marks, and is above average?

      • The Oncoming Hurricane

        I blame the gaming industry for devaluing numerical scores. When 8.8 is considered an insult, something’s gone badly wrong.

      • ShalkaDoctor

        As I said below this site is very harsh on this show, and out of sync with consensus. Well, since this reviewer took over anyway.

        • TardisBoy

          You’ve not answered why the score is harsh.

          • ShalkaDoctor

            Apologies friend. 7 is considered on the very low end of praise for a show
            like GoT. Especially when you look around and see scores and fan praise
            elsewhere.

          • Yoshfiction loves Supergirl

            Sounds like a compliment to the reviewer since Mark is not fan praising but actually writing as a critic.

  • TardisBoy

    Great review, Mark. I really quite enjoyed this weeks episode; especially the revisit to Bran, and the developments in the story at the Wall. However, I’m getting a bit sick of Ramsay now. I get it, he’s an evil character who will literally do anything to get what he wants – it’s just feeling like shocks for the sake of shocks now. At least with Joffrey it was fun to hate him.

    • ShalkaDoctor

      We’ve seen baby/child killing all before. I called every death to his remaining family.

  • The Oncoming Hurricane

    That Davos plot thing is getting on my nerves. Davos literally hasn’t even grieved for Stannis, the man he served half his life and who made him everything he is; or Shireen; the princess he loved like a daughter and who taught him how to read. He’s spent more time reacting to Jon’s dead body. He’s been back at the Wall at most 3 days longer than Melisandre, who hasn’t even been back 2 days (Jon’s stabbing takes place later that night after her return to the Wall). Nor has Melisandre grieved either, her crisis of faith appeared to be from Jon’s dead body more than anything.

    He also had a complete reversal of characterisation, having previously called Melisandre’s so-called miracles evil, he’s now her bezzie mate and…does he know Shireen got burned? If not, has he even thought about how Mel being the only survivor a bit weird? Is that even going to come up, considering how intent they appear to be on not mentioning Stannis or…anything relating to him? Why does he even think Jon could be resurrected? None of Melisandre’s powers he’s seen displayed are even in this remote area. It would have made more sense if he saw what the audience saw last week, but he didn’t, and as a result last week’s cliffhanger had no actual point?

    And I swear women on this show can pretty much only do things when prompted by men. Why did she not think of this herself? She seemingly knew the ritual. And don’t give me crisis of faith, she could have just been seen trying to do it frantically as a desperate attempt to prove to herself that the Lord of Light is actually real. We can even keep her believing she failed at the end. But no, she has to be prompted by a man, who has no reason to believe resurrection is actually possible. Sure, that makes all the sense.

    As for the resurrection itself…if the random cuts to Ghost to Jon’s body and back, with Ghost waking up all happy like someone’s just opened a tin of Pedigree Chum weren’t meant to imply warging then they were the strangest direction choice ever. This, despite the fact that they’ve cut 4 books of setup that Jon is a warg. For that reason, I literally do not know what the hell happened, did he come back through warging or Mel’s Barbers and Magic Salon (what even was that) or a weird combination of both? I can’t call it a good twist (it was so obvious) just on the basis of it happening when the problems with the scene potentially range from dodgy directing to a deus ex machina. It fell flat.

    As for Tyrion…he finally crossed a line this week into being so obnoxious (can we please stop with the ‘Varys is a eunuch’ jokes now? nobody’s forgotten, and you’ve wrung out every bit of humour that was actually in that premise, not a lot to begin with) that combined with his lack of flaws and stealing everyone’s plotlines (Barristan, Daenerys and also for the books Quentyn Martell, except that unlike Quentyn he succeeds because of course he does) that I now want him to die. A fate I don’t want for his book character despite being considerably worse morally, because he’s actually interesting. He can be horrible, but he’s also morally complex and is allowed to make mistakes and have flaws. What a concept!

    Show Tyrion is allowed to succeed at something Dany’s been failing at since Season 2, and the ‘dragons don’t hurt their friends’ setup with Missandei doesn’t make any sense. I thought he might send Missandei down or at least take her with him, as you know, the dragons actually know her and might pick up that if she’s their friend, so is he? But no, he succeeds in his goal by telling them a sad story from his childhood (which was strangely enough, all book dialogue, but in a really weird context) despite the fact he’s a complete stranger? And people call Rey from TFA a Mary Sue.

    (Yes, I was the friend, if it wasn’t already obvious.)

    As for Ramsey…ughhhhhhhh. No. Enough. Tumblr blogger turtle-paced has summed up better than I can:

    What I hate about Ramsay, and hate in a way that I’m not supposed to hate, is that Ramsay actively prevents plots from developing. You think the good guys are making progress? Ramsay stops it. You think the villains are going to face obstacles? Ramsay stops it. You think there’s an opportunity for a shakeup? Ramsay stops it. He makes every plot between the Wall and Moat Cailin about him, just like Tyrion’s taken over the Meereen story.

    […]

    As for Ramsay’s murder of Walda and her son, it was unnecessarily and gratuitously drawn out. That was a good minute of shouting at my screen, “I GET IT, HE’S EVIL!” It’s not new information. What’s worse that that this character was casted and included just to be murdered. This female character was casted and included just to be murdered for the man she married and the gender of the baby she had, a murder that demonstrated nothing other than this super-villainous rapist, torturer and war criminal would not draw the line at killing infants.

    I would also just like to add that given the cacophony of ‘that’s how it was back then’ in reference to defending the show in its use of sexual violence (it wasn’t), I’d just like to praise the realism of how Walda was able to get up and walk around no problem. Just had a baby? Walk it off! Truly, this is realism. Also, Sansa and Ramsay were married 6+ months? (Walda’s pregnancy having been annouced in 5×05 and having had a full term baby). …What…even is this timeline. It would also make more sense for him to actually keep the baby alive and pass him off as his son by Sansa, since he doesn’t actually have an an heir…but no, shocking is better. Of course, Roose, possibly the most cunning character in the entire book series SOMEHOW didn’t see his fate coming. All involved in the book Winterfell plot (Ramsay included) are his playthings, as Lady Dustin tells us. Ramsay is of course so engaging we must put up with him for the rest of the season at least. Also, remember when kinslaying was considered really bad and something that would leave you cursed?

    As for the new Lord Karstark, there’s a whole article already written on how basically nothing he says makes any sense here so I’m not gonna deal with that: http(:)//www(.)fandomfollowing(.)com/game-of-nonsense-week-two-idiocy-in-two-lines/

    His mere existence also makes Rickard Karstark’s actions in Season 3 kind of idiotic. And while I’d love to believe the North’s going to backstab Ramsay, based on the trailer for next week where Smalljon Umber turns up with a gift that’s probably Rickon Stark I highly highly doubt it.

    The other plots were mostly okay, I mean, this episode was actually decent. Liked the majority of the Bran and Iron Islands stuff with caveats, and nothing was really wrong enough with the rest of the plots (though I do question why nobody in King’s Landing is acting like Cersei’s facing trial and may die, among other things).

    I do not have much hope they will get the Tower of Joy flashback right next week. In fact, judging by the trailer, they’ve already got something quite wrong. I guess I should be glad they kept ‘And now it begins.’ ‘No, now it ends.’ as it was rather than ‘Your Sister’-ing it, but you were supposed to say it ‘sadly’, Ned, not ‘smugly’. This is ‘HARRY DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!’ all over again…(also, Ser Arthur Dayne dual-wielding, no, just no)

    • The Oncoming Hurricane

      I’d also like to question why the show made Michael McElhatton a main cast member when he seemingly had more material and did more before he was main cast. Of the two characters, Roose was actually more interesting and the show has utterly wasted him due to their hard on for Ramsay.

    • ShalkaDoctor

      Wow.

      • The Oncoming Hurricane

        Yes, the lack of logic is at times shocking.