• andrewslawmods

    “It seemed a little too neat for Beth and Mark to continue life as normal”

    You should watch again. Their dynamic has reversed since s1 & by the end of s2 they are only just starting to understand/accept each others grief. Obviously it was all too subtle for you.

    • PK-S

      Over the last few episodes we discovered Mark intended to leave Beth, she gave him an ultimatum about their tattered relationship .. and now at the end of this episode, that’s untouched on. You don’t need to sound patronising to prove a point either.

      • andrewslawmods

        My point is that their relationship is all quiet complexity. They despair at each other’s behaviour, yet don’t broach it – except when it blows up. All we know is Mark considered leaving Beth, one night seven months ago. He changed his mind. Beth gives Mark an ultimatum, but then makes it clear she doesn’t want him to go. They are both struggling to keep it altogether and getting by in their own ways.
        Sorry if it sounded patronising – I’m continually narked by commentators that don’t even get that Joe WAS the murderer – the frustration lingers….

        • PK-S

          Okay – thank you. I completely understand that Beth and Mark’s relationship was, as you say, all quiet complexity but it just struck me as a storyline given short shrift in the last couple of episodes – there was the bones of good character development but I just felt their sudden happy families facade on the beach at the end was a bit of a let-down. Not so much a cheat.

          And as for your last point, I totally agree – Joe was the murderer. I’ve seen people who have completely misconstrued what Broadchurch.2 is about – it’s not about finding out the ‘true’ killer, it’s about seeking justice through the legal system.

          • andrewslawmods

            I felt the tone on the beach was right. It’s bittersweet. They teeter between the despair of what happened to Danny and their joy of his life & the “new” life they have to nurture. They’re also celebrating that they have achieved some closure; some kind of “justice”: Beth had managed to confront, judge and banish her son’s killer – something Mark had already achieved, in part, in s1.

          • The Oncoming Hurricane

            Weren’t you one of those at the start? What was the point of you raising the possibility of not being the murderer in the Episode 1 review, if not that?

          • PK-S

            Yeah, I was. But that was 7 hours ago – nobody could have fully come to terms with what Broadchurch series 2 was properly about until about halfway through. After about the third episode, I realised it wasn’t going to be a similar investigation to series one..

          • The Oncoming Hurricane

            I would disagree. It would take a monumentally stupid writer to come out and say to the audience: ‘You know those flashbacks we saw in the Series 1 finale? Yeah, they weren’t real.’ Now that would be a real insult to the audience.

          • PK-S

            Well, untrue flashbacks work in shows like Death in Paradise and Midsomer Murders – I wouldn’t have put it past Chibnall. And I’m not alone in originally thinking series two would be about investigating who Danny’s ‘real’ Miller is – indeed, I’ve seen people online talk about it now, believing series three will go down this path.

  • Jack Bowden

    Am I the only one who’s continually annoyed that Arthur Darvill is continuously, totally underused in every great series he’s in, first Doctor Who and now Broadchurch. The writers need to recognise that talent.

    Other than that, great stuff, I agree on the unnecessary backstories being, well, unnecessary (Rampling’s blindness especially) but it was a satisfying finale all said and done.

  • matt_david_and_the_fez

    Great review, even if I don’t agree with all the points. You are right about the characters. They are what made me so invested in this show. The Latimers and of course, the gorgeous duo of Hardy and Ellie (seriously, it happens so rarely to find 2 actors that work so well together, Colman and Tennant are fabulous together!) are the most important things for me in this show, so I was quite satisfied with the ending.

    Sandbrook was never meant to be another Danny Latimer case. If with Danny we felt all the pain of his family and the whole town, with Sandbrook we were meant to feel Hardy’s pain for failing that case. The satisfaction that, after a very long journey that drained the life out of him, he finally solve it, was great.

    All in all, it was a great series, with a few problematic things, but still, very enjoyable. I am very pleased with hearing the news of series 3, especially knowing that Hardy and Ellie will be reunited again. Fantastic team indeed! Their genuine friendship speaks to my soul :D

  • The Oncoming Hurricane

    As someone who felt you were being overly harsh on the show for most of the series, I think this review is fair enough.

    However, I would like to make a few points, particularly re: Sandbrook. You say we didn’t see enough of the people directly affected, but you only use this series to justify it. I’ve been invested in Sandbrook since we first saw Cate, when Beth went to meet her in Series 1. It was never just about this series.

    As for Jocelyn and Sharon, some of it did feel extraneous, but as for fleshing them out for the sake of it, I would disagree unless they did not return in Series 3 (which I expected this time, having read Chibnall say it was conceived as a trilogy and as a result saw moments that looked as though they were setup for a third series), particularly remembering that Jocelyn is a Broadchurch resident.

    However, the reduction of certain characters’ roles bordered on criminal, Becca, Olly and Chloe being the worst. The first two don’t do anything much (did Olly even have a line in the finale?) While the ongoing effects of Danny’s death (and her gran’s, let’s not forget) on his big sister are barely touched on, all series. Considering how strong all those characters were, I hope this is made up for in Series 3.

    • PK-S

      As someone who felt you were being overly harsh on the show for most of the series, I think this review is fair enough.

      Well, I’m glad you think my review’s fair but I don’t think I could be too harsh. I’ve said before, I write what I see and I really was disappointed with Broadchurch for a while (it did pick up though) so I put that into my reviews.

      However, I would like to make a few points, particularly re: Sandbrook. You say we didn’t see enough of the people directly affected, but you only use this series to justify it. I’ve been invested in Sandbrook since we first saw Cate, when Beth went to meet her in Series 1. It was never just about this series.

      Seeing Cate briefly in series one was not enough for me – for most people, it seems, if you look around. The tone Chibnall took with Sandbrook differed hugely between Cate meeting Beth in series one and the fleshing out of the Gillespies in series two. In the first, he established this grieving, stout-hearted mother who informed Beth of her experience as someone bereaved – thus causing us, the audience, to place our empathy in her (and Beth). In series two, the Gillespies were booted to the side to make space for Hardy’s moral journey. Sandbrook was just an unsolved investigation for Hardy to eventually solve and find piece – there was little emotional core there for anyone other than Hardy.

      As for Jocelyn and Sharon, some of it did feel extraneous, but as for fleshing them out for the sake of it, I would disagree unless they did not return in Series 3 (which I expected this time, having read Chibnall say it was conceived as a trilogy and as a result saw moments that looked as though they were setup for a third series), particularly remembering that Jocelyn is a Broadchurch resident.

      It’d be great for the barristers to return (particularly because that would see the grand reappearance of the Great Ramples) but I felt that sub-plots like Jocelyn’s eyesight and deceased mother seemed to be extraneous – unless, of course, they play a bigger part (beyond just serving in the courtroom) in series three then, naturally, giving them a background is perfectly fine (although what we’ve seem so far has been more than a little clumsily handled by Chibnall).

      However, the reduction of certain characters’ roles bordered on criminal, Becca, Olly and Chloe being the worst. The first two don’t do anything much (did Olly even have a line in the finale?) While the ongoing effects of Danny’s death (and her gran’s, let’s not forget) on his big sister are barely touched on, all series. Considering how strong all those characters were, I hope this is made up for in Series 3.

      I’m thrilled you highlighted that – it was something I, too, have felt pretty miffed at. I haven’t noted it in recent reviews (I think I said something about the neglecting of the townspeople in my episode three, five review perhaps) but, yeah, I totally agree. Jonathan Bailey, Carolyn Pickles, Simone McAullay, Arthur Darvill and Charlotte Beaumont deserve an increased presence; they’re all excellent at what they do..