• Craig Fox

    To me, I appreciate its all about opinions, but you are focusing SOO much on the small negatives that you see. How about the emotional side of Alec? The story of him desperate to find a killer that ruined his life…The swap in roles between series 1 and 2 for Ellie and Alec (i.e desperate to solve a case they had little to do with previous)…how a Dad is putting all his focus on a new born to hide his pain of losing a son….showing the hurt a court case can provide (although appreciate that the court case isn’t very true to real life)…
    I am personally enjoying the change in style…whislt still having a case to try and crack.

    • PK-S

      The thing about being in the minority, Craig, is that you start to question whether you are right. Your and ShalkaDoctor and Owen’s opinions vastly differ from my own and you’ve inspired me to go back and watch the series, and see if I’m missing the elements that you – nay, the three of you – have highlighted.

      Perhaps I’ll see it in a different light. I hope so. I really loved Broadchurch and I won’t this second series to succeed – it just hasn’t done as much for me as I suspected. Oh, and to establish something that I didn’t really address in my review is that I am not just watching Broadchurch because I’m reviewing it – it’s because I find it watchable still; I simply question what it has become.

  • Owen Bush

    Unfortunately Patrick, I thoroughly disagree with this review. Although, Broadchurch hasn’t been as emotionally compelling as Series 1, Series 2 has brought a new tone and atmosphere that is normal for a show trying to test new ideas and play with the audience, ultimately, the viewing figures should not really determine the quality, as many shows decline in viewers from the original series.

    Personally, this episode felt like a huge step towards the more emotional and deep, meaningful Broadchurch we dearly loved in Series 1. No mention here is Alec’s drowning outside his home, or Ellie’s utter determination to solve Sandbrook. 5/10 is a worthless, appalling score and is, in my opinion, extremely harsh. Series 2 is a way for Chris Chibnall to take Broadchurch by a new angle, and oppose the fires of Series 1 to bring something originally structured and intriguing.

    Broadchurch, for me, has been solid in Series 2, we’ve had some faults and some meaningless writing, but it has kept the solid core from Series 1, and the emotion is starting to pour in now. You seem to focused on the issues of past episodes, with characters such as Sharon Bishop developing in more subtle ways, with her son for instance.

    • ShalkaDoctor

      Couldn’t agree more. This whole thing was written with the intent to give the show a kicking rather than fair judgement.

    • PK-S

      Well, I’m glad my review got you thinking – despite being a little sad I’ve been revealed to be in the minority.

      Everything you mentioned just struck me as false. Broadchurch, in my opinion, has lost the emotional core, the fulcrum that had viewers glued to their screens. Personally, it wasn’t the countdown to the discovery of Danny’s killer, it was the honest, true-to-life depiction of a low-key town ripped apart by this tragedy. My problem, in essence, is that series two has been concentrating more on story and less on the characters. As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago I just feel like the Broadchurch townspeople have been pushed to the side for the Sandbrook/Joe Miller cases.

      • Owen Bush

        I disagree, just because the emotion isn’t with the people of Broadchurch, does not mean it has been cemented completely. The emotion has adapted into our main characters, developing Alec and Ellie into people who have lost everything. If Broadchurch continued to focus on the emotion of the area, critics would have slammed it for being too similar, and not unique enough from the previous series. The emotion is more subtle than the core of Series 1, but it is still there and I’m sure it’ll continue as Ellie and Alec’s lives change. Broadchurch doesn’t need to focus on the townspeople, it already validated that in Series 1 and the continuation of that theme would have only been briefed as unoriginal and linear.

        • PK-S

          My case is that Broadchurch is not just about Ellie and Alec – despite some characterisation which, I admit, I have overlooked – it’s about Broadchurch the town as well, and I just feel that the townspeople have been pushed aside. I doubt that including the townspeople in the narrative more would be “briefed as unoriginal and linear”.

          • Owen Bush

            I feel it would, with the introduction of new, developing plots, there is no time or need for the continuation of the effect on Broadchurch, we already know the effect and that was what the conclusion of Series 1 was meant to be represent.

            “Let it heal” (I think that’s the correct quote) by Alec. Broadchurch as a town needs to reflect and this is why Series 2 has moved away from the towns perspective.

          • PK-S

            Then, personally, the show should have ended. As Alec – and yourself – said, “let it heal”. Broadchurch’s tale is done.

          • Owen Bush

            Just because Broadchurch as a town is done (and let me add, for this series) does not mean the people who were affected are complete, without the continuation of Sandbrook, Alec’s story wouldn’t be finished. Therefore, Broadchurch Series 2 offers the fate of Sandbrook as well as contuining the effects of Series 1 with the Latimers and Joe, which helps Ellie’s story progress causing her to be determined to solve Sandbrook, all cleverly programmed to help the effects of Series 1 push forward the characters we thought we knew all about, when actually Alec is a character who has had little development to his backstory.

  • ShalkaDoctor

    Broadchurch has become quite the easy target this year hasn’t it! It’s saddening to see the same ‘criticisms’ just repeated. Like all critics and wannabes alike latch on to the same complaints and go on about it every week. Suppose it gets more page hits though.

    What’s more sad is that the criticisms are actually really nitpicky or minor stuff. All of a sudden this piece of entertainment is being judged like some court documentary with its accuracy – “OMG! The wig the judge wore was wrong!”. Its stylish and unique look chided for being “too arty”. Its character developments becoming “too soapy”.

    Then the lower ratings somehow being used to justify all this unnecessary scorn (and completely ignoring the catch-up figures).

    Yes it’s not quite as good as last year but it’s still better than 95% of TV out there. It does not deserve the scalding its getting. Anyway I hope all the critics are happy when Broadchurch is axed and replaced with some braindead reality show instead.

    • PK-S

      Excuse me for asking you to descend from your high horse. This review is my opinion; I’m not playing God or dictating what people should think – simply expressing my own views whether you agree with them or not.

      Like all critics and wannabes alike latch on to the same complaints and go on about it every week. Suppose it gets more page hits though.

      If you’re accusing me of writing a critical review for the click-bait factor then please think again. I am typically an optimistic reviewer, I find it easier to praise than to pan but if a programme displeases me I always stay true to myself and write out my thoughts exactly – I would never write a deliberately controversial piece to gain more views.

      What’s more sad is that the criticisms are actually really nitpicky or minor stuff. All of a sudden this piece of entertainment is being judged like some court documentary with its accuracy – “OMG! The wig the judge wore was wrong!”.

      This I agree with – I don’t care about slight things like court procedure or etiquette. Those kind of details largely annoy those who have been immersed in a legal situation – and I haven’t.

      Its stylish and unique look chided for being “too arty”. Its character developments becoming “too soapy”.

      Horses for courses. Sorry for not agreeing with you.

      Anyway I hope all the critics will be happy when Broadchurch is axed and replaced with some braindead reality show instead.

      ITV is chockfull of naff reality TV anyway. If Broadchurch is axed (and I hope it is because – to be quite honest – I think it will struggle to tell more stories after series 2) then it’ll be because of the reviews and the ratings, both of which have been far from stellar. If it’s axed it won’t be because of some conspiracy amongst the critics to deliberately slam it, it’ll be because the public (and respective critics) deem it not good enough to watch. You’ll be happy to know that I do still like Broadchurch, I find it enjoyable and watchable but my problem is that it lost the integrity of the first series and thus it has really dropped in my estimations.

  • I agree with your general opinion regarding this series, but I actually really enjoyed this episode.
    I had high hopes at the start of this series, but they quickly died down. It’s a really enjoyable show, but because the first series was such a hit, it’s hard to top it. It’s a good series, but it’s not a masterpiece, and that’s okay.

    I was quite surprised there even was a second series. The first one was really good, but it seemed like a good standalone story, and not a long running tv series.

    I think a 5/10 might be a bit too low, but I totally get where you’re coming from.
    Oh and also, it’s nice to see you again PKS. How’ve you been? =)

  • matt_david_and_the_fez

    The smartest thing to do when watching a second series of a near perfect first one is to not have too many expectations. Let the writer tell the story. Exactly as we did in series 1 when we didn’t know how the story of Danny would end.

    Series 2 is definitely different than series 1, but in a good way. I feel like the town and how it’s being affected by the trial is still an important part of telling the story (especially the coping of Beth and Mark who seem to take different paths), but certainly not the most important one. I agree with someone here who said this series is about Ellie and Hardy and their development as characters. They are both broken people, that lost very much. Ellie is still trying to put her life back together in the whole nightmare of her husband’s trial and the rejection of her son. She needed something else to focus on and that’s her motivation why she agreed helping Hardy from the start.

    On another hand, this series isn’t really a murder mystery, a whodunnit in the way the first series was. The Sandbrook case is confusing and messy, because we see it through Hardy’s tired eyes. This series is about Hardy’s failure. The case that he didn’t solve and it’s obviously weighing heavily on his conscience to the point that it’s affecting his health. He is a broken man, a loner, who made mistakes, but all in all, he is not a bad man. He just wants to find the murderer of the girl and bring peace to that family. The only person that he trusts right now and is willing
    to help him is Ellie. For me, it’s all about their relationship. The growing (and awkward) friendship between two broken people that are both in a very bad place in their lives.

    So, that’s what makes it so compelling for me and keeps me wanting to watch it. The dynamic between the two brilliant characters (and the reversed situation, in series 1, Hardy was the one seeing things with fresh eyes and now it’s Ellie’s turn to be the more objective one in the Sandbrook case). Their scenes are a joy to watch, the actors are sublime and bring the
    best out of each other!

    Of course, I also find very intruguing the whole Sandbrook mystery, as I really have no idea what
    happened there (but we will find out) and the whole anxious uncertainty of Joe Miller’s possible escape from prison (because we know he did it, right?)

    I really don’t care too much about little errors or plot-holes, as long as I have compelling
    characters such as Ellie, Hardy, Beth or Mark to invest in. Their development, their emotions are what count and I have no complains there, as I think it’s done beautifully

    I feel like critics have been too harsh on this series, because they keep comparing it with the first one. That series was magical and unique and impossible to recreate. Once we accept that, we can see this one in a different light and see that the magic and brilliance of Broadchurch is still there :)

    So sorry for the long post!

  • TardisBoy

    I completely disagree. I really do wonder sometimes, when I read critics reviews of the second series, whether I’m watching the same show. For me, it’s been absolutely brilliant and I’m completely engrossed in the story; I want Monday’s to hurry up and arrive every week. I think critics are focusing far too much on the “logical” side of things, and how believable the court case is. But I don’t care about the believability of it, I care about the characters, their stories, that’s what the show has always been about: how a once ordinary town is affected by such a horrible tragedy and the exploration of the secrets that are revealed. And the show is still doing this, the trial has been absolutely traumatising for the characters, they are having their lives ripped apart when they should be grieving; that’s the tragedy of it. They are just exploring it in a different way to the first series; which is just as compelling as the first series IMO.

    So while this is a well written review Pat, I disagree with the criticisms you make.

  • DoctorJuno

    I agree with you, although i never saw series 1 I did hear good things and read up on it, so watching series 2 I’ve just found some bits silly, like giving birth then going to court a few hours later, or that it might be someone else even though he admitted to killing danny, it’s like they wanted to drag more out of something that has already been answered, the whole bishop/Knight conflict seems unlikely when you compare it to law and order uk and how its done in that, my favourite thing of this series has been the Sandbrook case, the whole mystery to who done it is alot more interesting then the courtroom drama
    The acting is another praise for the show but its the script that is lacking in quality in regards to the Danny murder